In the grand scheme of things, I love the idea of retiering but it's a very time-consuming process. Given the size of the forum (not all that big) we can't just let each tier's community have a go at retiering without having some people really pushing it and it being a big focus for the site, so I think we should talk about how we want to prioritise things.
There's 2 different sorts of tiering that we need to do, the first of which is making 1U tiers, and the second of which is lower tiers.
The generations with adequate 1U tiers, and hence which can focus on lower tiers, are RBY, BW, and ORAS. I think that RBY's retiering should carry on as is, there's a small but large enough and dedicated enough group currently working on and involved in the retiering of 2U.
For BW and ORAS, I think the first goal is getting enough activity in the 1U tier in the first place. BW's 1U Season #2 signups opened yesterday and are already at 16 users, which is a good sign. Hopefully we can get a consistent number of active players across seasons and build up the community that way, and at some point we can move onto creating the boundary between 1U & 2U and then testing 2U. ORAS already has a 2U but really needs more activity in 1U and the viability rankings & boundary probably need serious re-evaluation once we have an active & competent playerbase for the metagame.
Now, that leaves GSC, ADV, HGSS, and USM all in need of their own 1U tiers. My point of view right now is that we ought to focus on one at a time but bring as much focus to them as possible. My question then is mainly, who is interested in this, is anyone interested in any generation in particular, and is anyone able to bring in others to get involved? It won't work unless we have at least a handful of dedicated individuals willing to get their hands dirty and figure things out.
Here's the current state of each unfinished 1U tier:
- GSC retiering was briefly started but died out fairly quickly. SamuelBest is very keen on seeing it retiered. One important thing which has changed since that process began is that now non-max HP & status are permissible, because we have not agreed to automatically include cleric clause.
- ADV retiering started and there was a very controversial vote upon whether to ban Kyogre, and after Kyogre was banned the new frontiers petered out.
- HGSS retiering has not even begun, but it would begin w/ a meta noone will have actually played before due to the discovery that you can acquire Arceus below level 100, as well as the Giratina base stats glitch.
- SM grandfathered in most of the ORAS bans besides Mega Salamence (which was nerfed). It has been tested a little.
There's 2 different sorts of tiering that we need to do, the first of which is making 1U tiers, and the second of which is lower tiers.
The generations with adequate 1U tiers, and hence which can focus on lower tiers, are RBY, BW, and ORAS. I think that RBY's retiering should carry on as is, there's a small but large enough and dedicated enough group currently working on and involved in the retiering of 2U.
For BW and ORAS, I think the first goal is getting enough activity in the 1U tier in the first place. BW's 1U Season #2 signups opened yesterday and are already at 16 users, which is a good sign. Hopefully we can get a consistent number of active players across seasons and build up the community that way, and at some point we can move onto creating the boundary between 1U & 2U and then testing 2U. ORAS already has a 2U but really needs more activity in 1U and the viability rankings & boundary probably need serious re-evaluation once we have an active & competent playerbase for the metagame.
Now, that leaves GSC, ADV, HGSS, and USM all in need of their own 1U tiers. My point of view right now is that we ought to focus on one at a time but bring as much focus to them as possible. My question then is mainly, who is interested in this, is anyone interested in any generation in particular, and is anyone able to bring in others to get involved? It won't work unless we have at least a handful of dedicated individuals willing to get their hands dirty and figure things out.
Here's the current state of each unfinished 1U tier:
- GSC retiering was briefly started but died out fairly quickly. SamuelBest is very keen on seeing it retiered. One important thing which has changed since that process began is that now non-max HP & status are permissible, because we have not agreed to automatically include cleric clause.
- ADV retiering started and there was a very controversial vote upon whether to ban Kyogre, and after Kyogre was banned the new frontiers petered out.
- HGSS retiering has not even begun, but it would begin w/ a meta noone will have actually played before due to the discovery that you can acquire Arceus below level 100, as well as the Giratina base stats glitch.
- SM grandfathered in most of the ORAS bans besides Mega Salamence (which was nerfed). It has been tested a little.
