I made ADV OU + Latias playable on the PP server in challenge mode, and this is a discussion thread for the metagame.
I think it's a pretty fun, and I think Latias is strong and somewhat centralising (like Gengar, TTar, Skarm, etc.) but I think it isn't broken. I think that if it had originally been allowed in OU (like Celebi and Jirachi were on netbattle originally) we wouldn't think twice about it.
Now, some Pokemon are a bit worse off, but most of them are quite niche. The most relevant ones are defensive Suicune sets, 3 atk celebi, and moltres. Alakazam and Blaziken also suffer quite a bit, and MixMence needs support to break through Latias.
Different approaches to Latias:
- Defensive Calm Mind sets are very good. Calm Mind / Recover / Dragon Claw / Refresh is the best stallbreaker. Roar works in the last slot too. Notable though less viable also are Substitute and Safeguard in the final slot.
- Sets with Calm Mind / Recover + two attacks is okay too. Thunder is the only option to OHKO Aero. Thunder + Ice Beam, Thunder + Dragon Claw, and Dragon Claw + HP Fire are all okay looking options. It's better vs offense and has a harder time vs stall etc.
- Defensive sets can be pretty good too. Dragon Claw / Recover + 2 of Light Screen / Roar / Wish / Reflect.
Two different sorts of setups I think work (with regards to teams using latias).
- TSS & stall teams definitely can work. TTar / Skarm / Bliss / Pert / Gar / Latias or similar is definitely a very strong approach.
- CM Spam teams also can work well. Cune / Rachi / Latias / Dug / Gar or Regice / ? is probably something along the lines of what that looks like.
- Some hybrid approach, with Latias and another CMer or two plus some heavy hitter like CBTar or CB Meta could work also.
I think it's a pretty fun, and I think Latias is strong and somewhat centralising (like Gengar, TTar, Skarm, etc.) but I think it isn't broken. I think that if it had originally been allowed in OU (like Celebi and Jirachi were on netbattle originally) we wouldn't think twice about it.
Now, some Pokemon are a bit worse off, but most of them are quite niche. The most relevant ones are defensive Suicune sets, 3 atk celebi, and moltres. Alakazam and Blaziken also suffer quite a bit, and MixMence needs support to break through Latias.
Different approaches to Latias:
- Defensive Calm Mind sets are very good. Calm Mind / Recover / Dragon Claw / Refresh is the best stallbreaker. Roar works in the last slot too. Notable though less viable also are Substitute and Safeguard in the final slot.
- Sets with Calm Mind / Recover + two attacks is okay too. Thunder is the only option to OHKO Aero. Thunder + Ice Beam, Thunder + Dragon Claw, and Dragon Claw + HP Fire are all okay looking options. It's better vs offense and has a harder time vs stall etc.
- Defensive sets can be pretty good too. Dragon Claw / Recover + 2 of Light Screen / Roar / Wish / Reflect.
Two different sorts of setups I think work (with regards to teams using latias).
- TSS & stall teams definitely can work. TTar / Skarm / Bliss / Pert / Gar / Latias or similar is definitely a very strong approach.
- CM Spam teams also can work well. Cune / Rachi / Latias / Dug / Gar or Regice / ? is probably something along the lines of what that looks like.
- Some hybrid approach, with Latias and another CMer or two plus some heavy hitter like CBTar or CB Meta could work also.
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